Marina and the Diamonds - I am not a Robot
Marina has a synaesthetic condition that involves seeing musical notes and days of the week in different colours. *Jealous*. The Diamonds refers to the fans, not her band.
LILLY: That's right. My own beliefs are unbelievable.
MISHLOVE: And you seem to be saying that it's up to each person to in effect make the same bridge that you have, and to create their own belief system, so that in creating that belief they can move into the state that that belief leads them to, so that they can then discard it again.
LILLY: That's the gnostic point of view -- self transcendence, not transcendence through a church or a group.
MISHLOVE: Back fifteen years ago or so, you were exploring the mystical states, as described classically as the various levels of samadhi, in your work with Oscar Ichazo in Chile, in the Arica school.
MISHLOVE: You had achieved, as we have described earlier, some of the very highest states of those mystical traditions, and you wrote about them from your own personal experience. People in the mystical traditions view these states as being ultimate states. I get the sense that you don't think of them that way. You think of them more the way a scientist would look at tools.
LILLY: Well, Patanjali, for instance, in 400 B.C. said, "When you reach the highest form of samadhi, you realize there are hundreds more beyond that." I agree; there's no limit.
MISHLOVE: Well, John Lilly, it's been a pleasure having you with me. Thank you very much.
LILLY: Thank you. It's a pleasure being here. You sure do know how to ask the right questions.