Robert Anton Wilson Explains Everything (excerpt)

Robert Anton Wilson Explains Everything (excerpt)

On Aleister Crowley, feat. Alan Watts.

ça Sufi

"A donkey with a load of holy books is still a donkey."
From the Sufi

The title "ça sufi" is a pun on the french "ça suffit" which means "that's enough".

If someone calls you a donkey in dutch, it's a little more offensive than in English ;p though not necessarily.

Donkey in dutch is Ezel, of which the reverse is "Leze", and "Lezen" means "to read" (books, from the first quote ;p) and the circle is complete!

Interview with Robert Anton Wilson

Interview with Robert Anton Wilson. Copyright Gregory Bishop 1992 (also available in the collection Zen In The Art Of Close Encounters. Edited by David Pursglove)

Q: In the recent book Angels and Aliens, author Keith Thompson cites what he calls "metapatterns", which are repeated patterns in seemingly dipsarate phenomena which connect them.
Do you entertain this concept, and if so, how?

Wilson: Yeah, I see metapatterns between evolution and human history. I see an acceleration of information throughout evolution and you can see a similar acceleration of information throughout human history moving faster than the evolutionary one, and I think cosmic--if you consider the universe as evolving--there's another accumulation of information over time on a bigger scale. That's one of the metapatterns I've found useful.

Q: You don't think that's just because we're noticing it, that the universe is ticking on its merry way?

Wilson: Well that's the deepest question of all! I don't know. John Archibald Wheeler thinks it's because we're noticing it. He thinks that we're fine tuning the big bang every time we measure it, or at least a measurement on a sufficiently small scale, so we're selecting this universe out of all possible universes by the measurements we make, but I don't know whether I believe that or not.

Q: Thompson also compares the UFO phenomenon and people that study it to absurdist theater such as Waiting For Godot where the waiting becomes robotic entertainment...

Wilson: Well, I think it's more like a little film by Idries Shah--The Dermis Probe---it's a dense leathery something and these voices arguing about it. The camera keeps moving back as the voices find more and more details and more and more to argue about, until finally the camera moves back enough so that you can see it's an elephant. It's an adaptation of an old Sufi tale. I think it's more like the, UFO mystery than any of Beckett's plays. Everybody gets ahold of their favorite end and...

Q: ...won't let go...

Wilson: That's what it is! "It's extraterrestrials" "It's angels" "It's demons... hallucinations..."

Q: Fairies and elves...

Wilson: Faries and elves... yeah I like that theory because it's very hard for anybody to take it literally, so it gets one thinking on a different level.

Q: Where did you first hear about that theory?

Wilson: From Jacques Valee in 1976.

Q: Around the time of Passport to Magonia ?

Wilson: Around that time, yeah. I met him and then I ran right out and got the book and read it, and then I read Invisible College, which was the next book he brought out.

Q: Do you see UFOs as an experiment or at least a fly in the ointment of modern (last 50 years or so) consciousness or at least ideas of consensus reality?

Wilson: Oh yes, very definitely. That's what I like about it. I like the metaphor that Brad Steiger used although I don't take it literally: In the reality game, everytime we think we understand it, the player on the other side introduces some new move that in all of infinity has never been done before, so we've got to start thinking again and trying to figure out the rules of the game all over. I like that as a metaphor because the UFO is very much like that--it's a new move that the universe has made. That explains why a lot of people don't want to think about it at all.

Q: It forces people to change their ways of thinking, and that's scary... What is your feeling that many of our major religions are the result of contact with the "alien" the "other", or at least what we now regard as anomalous experience?

Wilson: Well, major religions of all sorts, from shamanic to the most "advanced" (which is what they call themselves--the more successful ones with millions of followers). All religions seem to be based on some sort of encounter with an alien presence, or what seems like an alien presence. According to one theory, it's just the other half of our brain.

Q: Like the miracle of Fatima.

Wilson: At Fatima the number of people seeing odd things increased with each visitation until there were about 100,000 witnesses from all over Portugal who saw parts of the last one which was "a light brighter than a thousand suns and petals falling out of the sky" or something like that. Really it sounds like a cosmic Houdini was putting on a show for them.

Q: What would you think would have happened if this had happened in say, China, Japan, or India?

Wilson: Oh, It would have been dragons fighting dragons in the sky... these things always... on going through the human nervous system they get adapted to the local belief system.

Q: Do you think they would have taken it just as seriously as the Catholic church did?

Wilson: Oh sure. Whatever it was, it certainly struck a lot of people very hard, so it would have been a religious event wherever it happened. I was at a conference in Georgia a few months ago called Phenomicon and this was the first time I ever saw this: We had two eyewitnesses in the room in this final panel discussion. Two eyewitnesses to this UFO sighting that was seen by quite a few people in Atlanta. One of them saw a spaceship with portholes and the other one saw a weather balloon. I found that absolutely fascinating. This was the subject of my PHd dissertation - how our perceptions are adjusted to fit our belief systems. This was a fascinating example to watch. Neither one had any doubt - they were both women - which is irrelevant, but I have to say that to explain my grammar. Each one was convined that what she saw was what was "really there" in the external world. Neither of them had any awareness that their brain had taken thousands and maybe millions of energy-events in space-time and correleated them in their brains to put together this picture and project it outward. Leach has said that none of us realize what great artists we are. This is a prime example.

Q: There was a case in Kentucky where two people had been riding along in a car. One saw a craft land and typical aliens get out and abduct them, and the other saw a schoolbus going by. They both swore up and down that that's what they had seen.

Wilson: (Laughter) I think I've seen more UFOs than most people because I have no dogmas about this, and so I'm always noticing weird things that I don't quite know what they are. I've seen UFOs, but I see UNFOs too--"Unidentified Non-Flying Objects". The world is full of things that puzzle me. I'm not quite sure what they are and how to classify them.

Q: Actually, I have some non-UFO questions here... I read your last book (Cosmic Trigger Part 2) and it seemed very pessimistic or even paranoid. I probably shouldn't ask this now because you'll get offended.

Wilson: Well, now I'm curious.

Q: Well, your last book seemed very acidic.
Anyway, if you say we're the artists of our own reality, do you enjoy painting pictures of insane government figures and their plots to ruin our lives?

Wilson: That's a very good question and that book presents various ways of looking at reality. Sometimes the world does look that way to me. Some people see the world that way all the time. What I was trying to do in that book is show that we can see the world that way part of the time, but you don't have to get hung up on seeing it that way all the time.

Q: It was startling because I had never read anything that dark in your books.

Wilson: Well in my novels - you probably read only my non-fiction. People who have read only my novels tend to think I have a tragic and somewhat paranoid view of the world. People who have read only my non-fiction think I'm unrealistically optimistic. I try different reality tunnels in different books.

Q: What made you start doing that, do you think?

Wilson: The Kennedy assasination. I was reading all the controversial literature and I got to see more and more how everybody in that debate, on all sides, how they were adjusting the data to fit their prejudices. So in Illuminatus, my first long novel (in collaboration with Bob Shea) we gave a couple of dozen alternative scenarios and everybody in the book figures it out differently, and the reader has to figure out which version they're going to believe, or are they going to become agnostic.

Later I realized it was not just the Kennedy assasination, I could apply that to the whole world. That attitude is called Model Agnosticism and it's very popular in modern physics, and to some extent it's reaching the other sciences too. It's the idea that the model is useful for a time, but you don't ever believe in it the way people used to believe in religious dogma.

Q: Here's one a bit off the track... What are your two or three favorite films and why?

Wilson: The Trial by Orson Welles, because it's an unsolvable mystery. If it was solveable, I'd lose interest eventually, as it is, I can look at it over and over and always have a new attitude towards it. I always find something new in it.

Q: And...?

Wilson: Another one by Orson Welles, F Is For Fake, which is a documentary about the impossibility of making a documentary. It's a documentary in which everybody is lying, including Welles himself. You never can figure out who's the worst liar and how much you can believe. Some of it is true, but you can never be sure which part. Other documentaries are terribly dishonest, compared to that one, which admits it's lying. A documentary that admits it's lying is honest, a documentary that prentends to be honest is lying... And Stardust Memories, by Woody Allen.

Q: That's one of my favorites.

Wilson: That's very much like F Is For Fake. You never know what's real and what's part of one of his movies. Sometimes the characters seem to escape from his movies into so-called "reality", except reality itself is a movie that we're watching, right? His hostility escapes from his movie into reality...

Q: And attacks his ex-wife and mother and it's about to get his psychiatrist...

Wilson: (Laughs) It gets one of his fans too. It suddenly reappears when somebody is asking him about the sexuality of artists and "have you ever had intercourse with a horse".

Q: Yeah "with some kind of wild animal" or something like that.

Wilson: And his hostility suddenly appears on screen and drags the guy off! (laughs)

Q: What is "utopia" and do you still see it as a possibility in the next few decades or so? (Relatively anyway).

Wilson: Utopia is a world where there's no nuclear arms race. Where I don't wake up every morning wondering whether the Soviet Union or the government that alleges it's mine are going to start hurling nuclear weapons at each other. So we've already achieved utpoia. That's obviously not going to happen.

Q: It'll be another country that's buying weapons off the Soviet Union.

Wilson: I refuse to worry about that. They scared me most of my life. Now they're claiming there's holes in the ozone and I'm supposed to worry about that. I am too old, I refuse to fall for this crap anymore. The rest of my life I'm going to enjoy myself and I'm not going to let them scare me anymore with these... the Russians turned out to be... they just fell apart. They never had any plan to attack this country. They were afraid of this country all along.

Q: Well, it kept a lot of people going on fear.

Wilson: And I won't worry about the ozone layer. It'll fix itself, or we'll learn how to fix it. I'm not going to ruin the rest of what I've got left of life with worrying about that.

Q: It seems like there's a different finding every week. "No, it's not going as fast as we thought", "Yes, it's going much faster, time to take steps" etc. I don't sense you have as much hope in the future as you once did.
Is this incorrect? And do you agree with Israel Regardie's statement that things will get worse before they get any better?

Wilson: I think I'm as optimistic as I ever was in the long-run evolutionary perspective. This idea that we have to go through some horror before we're cured, if that were true, we'd have been cured long ago. We've been through enough horrors, especially in this century. After Hitler's death camps and Hiroshima and Vietnam, how many horrors do we have to go through before we're ready to be happy? I think we're ready to be happy right now. I'm not going to let Regardie stop me.

Q: Well he can't object now.
Do you think all this is "millenium jitters" or is the shit really going to hit the fan?

Wilson: I regard myself and my friends as the power elite. That way I don't have to worry if someone else is manipulating me. They're trying, but we're outsmarting them every step of the way. Most people want to believe somebody else is in charge. Then they don't have to take responsibility. Then they have the supreme pleasure of perpetually complaining that somebody else is in charge, and it would be better if only they were in charge. As long as I think I'm in charge, I've got nothing to complain about. I've got to take the responsibility for all of it. How can I go on? (laughs) Well, some of us have more balls than others. I'm sixty years old. In any traditional society I would have been hanged long ago.

Thanks The Invisibles

Daily Dedroidify: At the Gates

A man who had studied much in the schools of wisdom
finally died in the fullness of time
and found himself at the
Gates of Eternity.

An Angel of light approached him and said, "Go no further,
O mortal, until you have proven to me your worthiness
to enter into Paradise!"

But the man answered, "Just a minute now. First of all,
can you prove to me this is a real Heaven and not just the
wishful fantasy of my disordered mind undergoing death?"

Before the angel could reply, a voice from inside the
gates shouted:
"Let him in - he's one of us!"

(from the Sufi)
Robert Anton Wilson: Cosmic Trigger

Daily Dedroidify: Revenge

Daily Dedroidify: Revenge

"Let me tell you something, you humans, most of you, subscribe to this policy of an eye for an eye, a life for a life which is known throughout the universe for its stupidity.

Even your Buddha and your Christ have quite a different vision but nobody's paid much attention to them, not even the Buddhists or the Christians. You humans... sometimes it's hard to imagine how you've made it this far." Prot

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Gandhi

to err is human, to forgive divine

"How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours." from the Sufi

"Intolerance is evidence of impotence." Aleister Crowley

"Live well. It is the greatest revenge." The Talmud

"An unbridled passion for the total elimination of this or that evil can be as dangerous as any delusions of our time." Richard Hofstadter

"If you are looking for vengeance, be sure to dig two graves." Chinese saying

"To be angry about trifles is mean and childish; to rage and be furious is brutish; and to maintain perpetual wrath is akin to the practice and temper of devils; but to prevent and suppress rising resentment is wise and glorious, is manly and divine."
Alan Watts

"To be wronged is nothing unless you continue to remember it." Confucius

"When anger rises, think of the consequences." Confucius

"Nothing inspires forgiveness quite like revenge." Scott Adams

"There is no revenge so complete as forgiveness." John Billings

"Revenge is often like biting a dog because the dog bit you." Austin O'Malley

"How about how good it feels to finally forgive you." Alanis Morissette

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned." Buddha

"In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher." Tenzin Gyatso

"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names." JFK

Vergiffenis rules, I vergif you all :)
(dutch inside joke :p)

Daily Dedroidify: Clinging to Belief

Daily Dedroidify: Clinging to Belief

"Truth is a great mirror shattered by time into a hundred thousand pieces, allowing everyone who has a piece to declare that they have The Truth." Sufi Gabril Kahlil

"God is a symbol of God." Paul Tillich

"Religion is a defense against the experience of God." Carl Gustav Jung

"The attitude of faith is the very opposite of clinging to belief, of holding on." Alan Watts

"The materialist fundamentalists are funnier than the Christian fundamentalists, because they think they're rational!" Robert Anton Wilson

"Whenever people are certain they understand our peculiar situation here on this planet, it is because they have accepted a religious Faith or a secular Ideology (Ideologies are the modern form of Faiths) and just stopped thinking." Robert Anton Wilson

"Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort,
or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence." Robert Anton Wilson

"In (Gordiano) Bruno's day the 3 terms were divided up differently, you had science and mysticism on one side, and religion on the other side. Science and mysticism are alike in their struggle against religion. They were both based on experience and respect for the individual. The idea of science and mysticism was go out and discover for yourself. Find out what works, find out how the universe is actually structured and how you relate to the structure of the universe. And so there were basically 2 areas of scientific exploration, the external and the internal. But they were both pursued by the same method, the experimental method."
Robert Anton Wilson

"In heaven there is no religion, thank God." Gandhi

"Take care of the people, and God almighty will take care of himself."
Kurt Vonnegut

"True spirituality should have the result of making a person calmer, happier, more peaceful, so engaging in training or a method of bringing about inner discipline within ones mind is the essence of a religious life, an inner discipline that has the purpose of cultivating these positive mental states." Tenzin Gyatso


"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." Thomas Jefferson

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows." Epictetus

"When I'm watching the news and my daughter walks in and choose to ask: 'Why were all those people on the floor, sleeping, covered in red?' I told her, that they were looking for God, but found religion instead." De La Soul

"All around one the True Believers trudge by, mouths grim, brows furrowed, ulcers and worse eating at their innards. This desperate company of oddfellows (Thoreau) live in what psychologists call 'cognitive dissonance.' Because their reality-maps are, one and all, too small to cover the vast, eerie, amusing world in which we live, they are perpetually frustrated: the world does not live up to their fixed beliefs. They are all convinced that there is something radically wrong with the universe itself, or with the rest of humanity, and they never suspect that the real trouble is in their own rigid and robotic nervous systems." Robert Anton Wilson

There is a parable of Blind men and the elephant, one felt the side of the elephant and said it was a wall, the second felt the tip of a tusk and was convinced it was a spear, the third said it was a snake as he felt the trunk, the fourth had grabbed a paw and said it was a tree trunk, the fifth who felt an ear said it was a fan and the sixth who had the tail said it was like a rope. All started arguing about who had told the truth. While each knew a part of the image, none knew the whole. The moral of the story is that reality may be viewed differently depending upon one's perspective, and argueing about it is ridiculous since no human knows the entire truth.

It's always more interesting to talk to someone who keeps looking for the truth than to someone who's sure they've found it.

"The difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members and the size of the bank account." Robert Anton Wilson

"Whoever cannot find a temple in his heart, the same can never find his heart in any temple." Mikhail Naimy

"The data stream has been corrupted, return to first principles." Terence McKenna

"The discovery of this reality is hindered rather than helped by belief, whether one believes in God or believes in atheism. We must make here a clear distinction between belief and faith, because, in general practice, belief has come to mean a state of mind which is almost the opposite of faith. Belief, as I use the word here, is the insistence that the truth is what one would “lief” or wish it to be. The believer will open his mind to the truth on the condition that it fits in with his preconceived ideas and wishes. Faith, on the other hand, is an unreserved opening of the mind to the truth, whatever it may turn out to be. Faith has no preconceptions; it is a plunge into the unknown. Belief clings, but faith lets go. In this sense of the word, faith is the essential virtue of science, and likewise of any religion that is not self-deception." Alan Watts

What I personally find hilarious is that atheists and new agers think their BS (belief system) is different from a religion.

Religion is for people afraid of going to hell.
Spirituality is for people who have been there.

If there's only one God, stop fighting about the name!

God is too big to fit into one religion.

God: Religion is easy, I'm talking about faith. You're gonna help me change that.
Jerry: Me? But I don't even belong to any church!?
God: Neither do I!
(from the movie Oh, God 1977)

A unified 'religion' would not bring about peace, but stupidity.

Great Quotes

"A considerable percentage of the people we meet on the street are people who are empty inside, that is, they are actually already dead. It is fortunate for us that we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what a number of people are actually dead and what a number of these dead people govern our lives, we should go mad with horror." Georges Ivanovitch Gurdjieff

"Contemporary man is born asleep, lives asleep and dies asleep.
What knowledge could a sleeping man have?" Georges Ivanovitch Gurdjieff

"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." Eleanor Roosevelt

"I consider myself a handicapped person in that I used to believe that everyone, uh, that their intention in the world was to learn more, to do better, to seek out the truth, and the older I get, I realize that’s not the case with most people. They’re pretty content with the way things are and to just kind of live day by day."
Maynard James Keenan

"Insanity is a perfectly natural adjustment to a totally unnatural and negative environment." R.D. Lang

"Our collective conclusion seems to be that nature, both in whole and in many parts, is magically self-reflecting and aware." Terence McKenna

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin

"Truth is a great mirror shattered by time into a hundred thousand pieces, allowing everyone who has a piece to declare that they have The Truth."
Sufi Gabril Kahlil

"Everyone knows that Congresspeople are assigned to committees based on their greatest weakness! Why else would Senator Ted Stevens, a man more comfortable in the horse and buggy era, wind up in charge of regulating the Internet... which, he believes, is a series of tubes... a series of tubes through which other Congressmen can reach in and fondle sixteen-year-olds?"
John Oliver

"To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic."
Humphry Osmond

"We reproduce catastrophe because we ourselves are traumatized - both as a species and individually, beginning at birth. Because we are wounded, we have put up psychic defenses against reality and have become so cut off from direct participation in the multidimensional wilderness in which we are embedded that all we can do is to navigate our way cautiously through a humanly designed day-to-day substitute world of symbols - a world of dollars, minutes, numbers, images and words that are constantly being manipulated to wring the most possible profit from every conceivable circumstance. The body and spirit both rebel." David Watson (The Pathology of Civilization)